Saturday, February 11, 2017

Trying out some ES thinlines

A few weeks ago I visited Dijkman muziek in Breda. I had seen they had both a used reissue Gibson 1959 ES 330 TD and a used 1958 ES 335 VOS for sale and I had always wanted to check these two out. Especially the 330 I was interested in. I first called the store to ask if the used 330 (built in 2012) had the unpopular (two piece) laminate fretboard that Gibson applied in 2012 due to legal issues. I had heard bad things about those layered fingerboards and though I don't know if these rumours are true I simply do not think they belong on a 3k guitar. But the store assured me the ES 330's fingerboard was not layered and told me they had made some enquiries with Gibson even. Mmmm .... OK for now.

I took my trusted ES 175 to the store so I could compare the sounds of the thinlines to my 175. Of course that comparison is not really fair but still ... I thought it would be interesting to see how the full hollow thinline ES 330 would sound compared with a full sized ES guitar . I had also taken my Mambo amp through which I played them all.

So there I was ... The first guitar I test drove was the 1958 VOS ES 335. I owned a 335 earlier (traded it in on a 350t years ago) so I knew what to expect. And yes, the sound of VOS was typically 335. It did have a baseball bat neck though. Huge. Compared to a regular 335 neck not very comfortable. They probably made the 335 like that in 1958 but ... would be a deal breaker for me. The 2015 ES 335 had a much slimmer neck and was way more comfortable to play therefore.

After playing the 1958 VOS, the regular 2015, a reissue 1963 ES 335 TDC and a reissue 1959 335 TD, I had to conclude there was not that much difference to be noted sound wise. They all sounded like a 335 does. I think I liked the 1963 TDC somewhat better but, like I said, the major differences were cosmetic only. Apparently there is a market for VOS made Gibson guitars but personally I would not pay the premium prices these instruments demand. Heck, they ARE expensive at 4-5k euro.

And then I got to the 1959 ES 330 reissue. I was pleasantly surprised. It was a lightweight guitar with a more traditional jazz sound than what I heard from the ES 335s. With way more acoustic volume, because, obviously, the 330 has no full center block like the 335. The full hollow body has mahogany sides, a mahogany tailblock and headblock (so not full) and a 3-ply maple/poplar/maple top and back. A notable difference with the 335 is that the neck of the 330 sits further into the body, joining at the 16th fret. This creates a shorter guitar with a different feel. The 335 has better playability in the higher positions therefore. The neck of the 330 was a bit too clubby for my taste but I guess I could get used to that. The sound I found pleasing enough. A nice traditional jazz sound. I could not find a decent demo for the guitar (nobody plays jazz on jazz guitars in demos ever ... sigh) but here you can see and hear it:

I have to admit, none of the thinlines, including the 330, produced such a woody and classic jazz sound as my 175 but you can hardly expect that from a thinline of course. Still, the 330 is closer to what I want to hear in a jazz guitar than the 335. That does not mean the 335 does not work for jazz, many great players prove otherwise of course. But I would rather use the 330 for that with its hollow body.

Now for the bottom line ....  I think the  ES 330 will make a great guitar for straight ahead jazz. No doubt about it. It does not really sound like you hear on Grant Green recordings of course (Grant used very unusual EQ settings on his amp) but it is easy to get some cool bebop sounds from the ES 330. Definitely one of the cooler thinlines in the Gibson stable and it does have that cool vintage look with the slightly dulled finish, the P90s and the vintage Mickey Mouse horns.


  1. Dear Sir,

    Thank you for taking the time to do a demo. It is as annoying and disappointing as it is true that "nobody plays jazz on jazz guitars in demos ever". Because of your demos I bought a 1978 Es350t and have never been happier with a guitar. Thank you again!

  2. Did ithe 330 feedback easily? One of the big complaints about the original version was a very low feedback threshold.

  3. Adam Rogers (one of the finest) mainly uses a 1999 ES 335.